陳雲論證了香港的城邦主權，依然是港獨理論的奠基人

陳雲論證了香港的城邦主權，依然是港獨理論的奠基人


陳雲論證了香港的城邦主權，依然是港獨理論的奠基人。港共下令嶺南大學辭退我，沒有判斷錯的。

請各位協助廣傳此貼文，為青年人壯膽。勇往直前！


It is Wan Chin who has expounded Hong Kong's city-state sovereignty; still, he is seen as the founding father of the theory of Hong Kong independence. The local commies made no wrong judgment to order Lingnan Univertsity to give me my walking papers.

Please circulate this posting widely for the sake of emboldening the young people, so that they would muster up their courage and march forward!



陳雲：港獨是否違法？為什麼中共和中共在港的放屁蟲、傳聲筒，總是在說港獨是違法？連背叛英女王的香港法例也搬弄出來用？共產黨什麼時候變得這麼講法律的？

Is the advocating of Hong Kong independence a breach of the law? Why Communist China, together with its farting maggots and mouthpieces in Hong Kong keep saying that it is a breach of the law? How come they even brought into service the Hong Kong law concerning rebellion against the British sovereign, the Queen? When has the Chinese Communist Party begun to show that much reverence to the law?



首先，以香港的普通法的法治，發表港獨言論、以不動用武裝鬥爭的和平方式從事港獨倡議及推動，並不違法。由於香港並無普選國會、亦無公投法（《基本法》的修訂程序要經過人大最終核准，香港難以容許公投法的立法），故此港獨的可行範圍，只有兩個，一個是中國崩潰，中央人民政府倒台，中國大陸地區沒有合法的全國政府，那麼香港無論如何都會宣布獨立，這是《香港城邦論》也同意的情況。

First, according to Hong Kong's rule of law which is based on the common law, the publishing of opinions advocating Hong Kong independence or the proposing and promoting of Hong Kong independence through a peaceful modality involving no armed striving is not a breach of the law.

Since Hong Kong has no parliament formed through universal suffrage and there's no referendum law (as the procedure for the amendment of the Basic Law requires the final ratification by the NPC*, it's not possible for Hong Kong to lay down referendum law), there are thus only two situations in which it is feasible to achieve Hong Kong independence. One of them is the total collapse of China or the collapse of the people's central government which would leave no one single legitimate government to govern the entire Chinese territory. Then at any rate, Hong Kong would announce independence, a move “theory of Hong Kong city-state” also goes along with.



第二個情況，是以行動方式推進港獨：成立組織宣傳、參加議會選舉佔據發言位置、不斷推動民意調查施加壓力（所謂電子公投）、國際遊說等等。這在香港的法治下，是合法的。共產黨能夠用的方法，只能動用國家的專政力量，那就不是法律的一套，而是用情報局、國安人員綁架、黑社會毆打恐嚇、銀行取消戶口、稅務局滋擾、選舉事務處拒絕郵寄政綱（中出羊子的例子）、警署和廉署拷打審問等方式。

The second situation is to press ahead with Hong Kong independence through actions: organize propaganda campaigns, run for council election to gain hold of positions that allow more speaking opportunities, pressurize through constant opinion polling (the so-called electronic referendum), and arrange international lobbying, etc. All such actions are legal in Hong Kong under the rule of law. Whereas the method the Chinese Communist Party can use is the state's authoritarian power, a recipe outside the law, which utilizes intelligence agencies, abduction by national security agents, beatings and intimidation by sinister gangs, the closing of bank accounts of the opposition, harassment by inland revenue department, refusal of the mailing of political propaganda materials by the registration and electoral office (Nakade Hitsujiko's** case is an example), torture and interrogations by police or ICAC, and other ways.



為什麼中共不敢用國家的專政力量來對付港獨派呢？為什麼中共要緣木求魚，要用香港那些根本無法對付港獨派的法治力量呢？答案很簡單：香港是獨立司法區。香港是另外一個類似國家的主權。香港這裡，有中共，也有美國，有台灣，更有希望香港維持司法獨立來保護黑錢、黑戶的中共紅二代。

Why Communist China would not dare to use the state's authoritarian power to deal with the pro-independence camp in Hong Kong? Why Communist China should want to lead itself on a merry chase, trying to make use of the power of the rule of law, which is simply useless for dealing with the pro-independence camp? The answer is simple. Hong Kong is a region of independent judiciary; Hong Kong is another sovereignty which resembles a nation. In Hong Kong, various parties are present: there is Communist China, and there are the US and Taiwan, not to mention Communist China's red second generation, which hopes Hong Kong's judicial independence would be maintained so that there will be protection for ill-gotten money and illegal residence.



看到一向動用國家專政力量對付異議人士、維權人士的中共，竟然要在香港講法治，陳雲在仰天長嘯。妙哉！妙哉！《城邦主權論》將香港的主權描述了出來之後，青年人膽子壯大了，氣死中共了！

Who would have thought that Communist China, which has all along been drawing on the state's authoritarian power to deal with the dissidents and civil rights activists, should want to talk about rule of law in Hong Kong! Noticing such a change, Wan Chin could not prevent himself from gazing into the sky to let out a roar. Fantastic! Fantastic! Ever since Hong Kong's sovereignty had been described in “theory of city-state sovereignty”, young people have been getting more audacious than ever. This turn of events has driven Communist China mad!



（按：至於《基本法》的二十三條立法，中共永遠不敢在香港做的，陳雲論證過了。否則薄熙來之類的人物在香港被控告叛國，法庭傳召習近平來香港公開聆訊，大家在法庭公開對駁，中共的黨爭搬上電視劇了。）

(note: As regards the legislation of article 23 of the Basic Law, Communist China would never dare to do it in Hong Kong, which had already been expounded by Wan Chin, or else, should it happen that figures such as Bo Xilai and the like are to be prosecuted in Hong Kong for treason, Xi Jinping would be summoned to court for public hearing in Hong Kong, to appear in a big public show of accusation and counter-accusation in the court of Hong Kong. Communist China's party strife would become a TV series.)


* NPC: National People's Congress

** Nakade Hitsujiko: A notable political activist and blogger turned candidate for public election.

Translated by: KT & JC


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